A specific technical criticism often cited on Reddit originates from a viral comparison image (not a Vengeance product originally, but frequently attributed to the culture of sample pack reliance) showing the waveforms of multiple "brostep" tracks stacked on top of one another, looking like a pile of crabs. While this image referred to a specific preset in Massive, the sentiment is transferred to Vengeance sample packs. Users argue that reliance on these processed, pre-limited samples removes the producer's ability to control dynamics. Because Vengeance kicks and snares are often already heavily compressed and EQed, stacking them creates "mud" and clipping, a phenomenon Redditors pejoratively term "cookie-cutter production."
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: A recurring topic on subreddits like r/edmproduction is that many early Vengeance samples were allegedly ripped directly from existing tracks (e.g., Spencer & Hill) rather than being synthesised from scratch. This has led to some packs being discontinued or removed from official stores. Top-Rated Packs (Reddit Recommendations) vengeance sample packs reddit
If you browse r/EDMproduction looking for alternatives that don't sound "dated," these are the most upvoted recommendations: A specific technical criticism often cited on Reddit
Direct piracy is banned on most subs. /r/drumkits is the main legal-ish place where people repackage royalty-free sounds, including Vengeance loops they legally own. Because Vengeance kicks and snares are often already
A specific technical criticism often cited on Reddit originates from a viral comparison image (not a Vengeance product originally, but frequently attributed to the culture of sample pack reliance) showing the waveforms of multiple "brostep" tracks stacked on top of one another, looking like a pile of crabs. While this image referred to a specific preset in Massive, the sentiment is transferred to Vengeance sample packs. Users argue that reliance on these processed, pre-limited samples removes the producer's ability to control dynamics. Because Vengeance kicks and snares are often already heavily compressed and EQed, stacking them creates "mud" and clipping, a phenomenon Redditors pejoratively term "cookie-cutter production."
Collaboration & Swap Threads
: A recurring topic on subreddits like r/edmproduction is that many early Vengeance samples were allegedly ripped directly from existing tracks (e.g., Spencer & Hill) rather than being synthesised from scratch. This has led to some packs being discontinued or removed from official stores. Top-Rated Packs (Reddit Recommendations)
If you browse r/EDMproduction looking for alternatives that don't sound "dated," these are the most upvoted recommendations:
Direct piracy is banned on most subs. /r/drumkits is the main legal-ish place where people repackage royalty-free sounds, including Vengeance loops they legally own.